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Posted by: Dave Douglas on December 7, 2009 @ 7:52 am
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This will make Jim happy: Vinyl Records and Turntables Are Gaining Sales from the Times.

The bins above the boxes hold new records — freshly pressed albums of classic rock as well as vinyl versions of the latest releases from hip-hop icons like 50 Cent and Diddy and new pop stars like Norah Jones and Lady Gaga.

And with the curious resurgence of vinyl, a parallel revival has emerged: The turntable, once thought to have taken up obsolescence with reel-to-reel and eight-track tape players, has been reborn.

We’re still investigating the idea of Greenleaf vinyl. Some have proposed a print on demand system, others a vinyl sampler system. Do you have an LP player? Is the sound of vinyl important to you? What would you most like to hear that way? Let us know here or on Facebook.

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  2. The fidelity of LPs isn’t really what does it for me. I don’t have the choicest audiophile rig or anything — in fact, currently, I’m sans speakers. But I do love the pops and the natural compression that happens with the needle on wax.

    With a massive digital library, my listening habits have become more and more driven by tracks rather than albums. It’s nice to sit down with two 20-minute sides of music.

    And artwork — no comparison there. So much more space for detail with a larger package. It becomes an artifact, something that I’m not just transferring onto my computer and eventually forgetting where I put it.

    Comment by Jim Tuerk — December 7, 2009 @ 9:30 am

  3. I find I sometimes listen to music more often on vinyl. Sometimes a 60-70 minute CD is daunting, but a 40-50 minute record with 20 minute sides, seems manageable, especially before starting my day. I like it for the sound (cymbals sound so much better!), the package (liner notes), and would love to hear more recent music on vinyl! I’m spinning Weather Report’s Black Market as we speak, and especially with older records, you can really hear the intent of how they were mixed, because you’re hearing them in the original format, with all the panning, and where all the sonic space of the instrumentation is.

    Comment by Matt Smiley — December 7, 2009 @ 9:36 am

  4. I am a huge fan of vinyl and I’m definitely excited to see its growing popularity. I think it would be an excellent move to include vinyl production with your new albums, especially since new jazz isn’t being especially represented in that regard. Plus, your music would sound fantastic in that medium! Go for it!

    Comment by Jamison Sevits — December 7, 2009 @ 10:21 am

  5. I’ve never been without a turntable, I still have my entire 45 collection (every picture sleeve ever issued from the 70’s to the end) and whereas I had to jettison most of my LP collection to friends, I kept sentimental vinyl favorites and things that I knew would never see the light of CD day. Like my Derek & Clive (Peter Cook & Dudley Moore) and other brit comedy stuff.
    Recently I have bought a few vinyl pieces, some overwhelming great (The Miles Kind of Blue box set) and some disappointing weak. (the Van Morrison Hollywood Bowl album) A few years ago the pricing for vinyl was fairly reasonable, but not surprisingly as the buzz has increased so has the labels willingness to charge premium prices.
    I don’t mind paying a premium as long as the quality stays high. In an ideal world a vinyl purchase would come with a download as well, kind of like Nonesuch has been doing lately.

    Comment by david jordan — December 7, 2009 @ 11:07 am

  6. I own a turntable, and would definitely purchase vinyl that came with digital downloads as well. The sound of vinyl is cool, but what I dig about it, is that it forces a different approach to listening. You can’t “set and forget it.” You have to pretty much just sit and listen, because in 20 minutes the physical media will require your attention. Additionally, since we do much of our listening digitally, if you are going to sell a physical artifact, it might as well be a cool physical artifact. You guys do nice packaging on your CDs, think about how much fun you could have with vinyl packaging.

    Comment by Jeff Albert — December 7, 2009 @ 12:26 pm

  7. I meant to mention, I know it’s a Winter & Winter title, but Charms of the Night Sky is something I would love to hear on vinyl.

    Comment by david jordan — December 8, 2009 @ 12:36 am

  8. This is all great to hear. I like vinyl, too. Have to figure out how to step back into 40 minutes of music per release. We’ve gotten so used to 60 plus.

    Which tunes would you leave off Charms of the Night Sky to fit it on an LP?

    And – where do you buy your vinyl records?

    Keystone uses vinyl LPs, played by DJ Olive, as part of its instrumental palate. Would you be interested in owning a copy of the LP Olive makes to play in the band?

    Comment by Dave Douglas — December 8, 2009 @ 10:19 am

  9. “And – where do you buy your vinyl records?”

    In Chicago anyway, the very few record shops left — Dusty Groove, Jazz Record Mart, Reckless Records, Permanent Records. Those places and a few others seem to be not only the places to buy new/used vinyl, but really the only places to buy CDs, too.

    Amazon also carries LPs for some releases. I think I’ve bought one or two there in the past. But besides the record shops I mentioned, I get stuff direct from labels or artist sites.

    Comment by Jim Tuerk — December 8, 2009 @ 11:00 am

  10. “Which tunes would you leave off Charms of the Night Sky to fit it on an LP?”

    In this hypothetical, I wouldn’t leave anything off. I’d move “Poveri Fiori” after “Facing West” and press a double-10″ — 12 minutes per side. But that is where these reissues can get expensive.

    Better to have a new release that is 40-44 minutes LP/CD, then have downloadable bonus content that comes with it. My thought anyway.

    Comment by Jim Tuerk — December 8, 2009 @ 11:26 am

  11. Matt Smiley mentioned Weather Report’s indestructible ‘Black Market.’ To me, WR have always sounded better on vinyl than on CD. If you have the chance, compare the digital version of ‘Nubian Sundance’ from ‘Mysterious Traveler’ with it’s vinyl counterpart. The vinyl just sings, doesn’t it? It leaps into my ears and livens the room I’m in more than the CD. I’m currently trying to get a complete set of WR on vinyl, easier said than done. Help would be appreciated.:)

    I mention WR at length because to me they often sound like all the music of the world playing at the same time, and that openness and vitality is evident on so much Greenleaf music (‘Keystone’ and ‘Live at the Jazz Standard especially’). Dave could agree or disagree, but I hear a melodic kinship in his improvising to Zawinul.

    How about a limited edition ‘Best of’ Greenleaf vinyl sampler, featuring Keystone, a variety of DD stuff, Michael Bates, Donny, and perhaps others, to test the waters and see how the different bands sound on LP?
    I’d buy one. I’d even pre-order.

    pb

    Comment by Patrick Boyle — December 8, 2009 @ 6:37 pm

  12. As far as where I do purchase vinyl…

    Well it’s become a little bit of an addiction, so buyer beware, but I but used (sometimes new) vinyl on ebay all the time. I’ll usually only try and bid on records that are less than 6 bucks, unless it’s a “must have” kind of deal. For instance I have paid more on some records because I’m trying to collect Ornette’s entire catalogue on LP (up to 35 records now), as well as whatever Zorn things I can find (those can run for 40+ bucks). But Ebay is a great resource because of the sheer amount of things there.

    Comment by Matt Smiley — December 9, 2009 @ 11:43 am

  13. Charms of the Night Sky would have to be a three sider! I couldn’t leave anything off, That would be like Sophie’s choice you know.
    Plus a three sided record (the 4th side blank) would put you in the great company of Roland Kirk, Joe Jackson, Johnny Winter.

    I buy my vinyl at the aforementioned Jazz Record Mart, used places, (here in Oak Park we have one called Val’s Halla by my house) and direct.

    Ebay in the last couple of years has fallen victim to the “everyone’s buying vinyl so let’s jack the minimum bid” syndrome. Then when you get it, it looks like someone ate lunch off it.
    I once got a Keith Jarrett Sun Bear Concerts for 10 bucks. Those days appear to be gone. The nice thing about buying Jazz records used, is that they are usually in good shape. Pop records not so much.

    Comment by david jordan — December 9, 2009 @ 12:31 pm

  14. My first ‘professional’ recording date was for vinyl release — there are copies of the original vinyl pressing available at the GreenleafMusic store — complete with cover art depicting me as a Brooks Brothers-clad young lion in 1986. The group was called Second Sight and the record is called Flyin’ With The Comet. Still proud of that one.

    More than a best of Greenleaf LP, it would interest me to make some new music specifically for vinyl, with that great sound in mind.

    I like the idea of pre-order for vinyl. Do any of you shop that way for LPs? How many LPs of recent vintage are in your collection?

    Comment by Dave Douglas — December 9, 2009 @ 3:49 pm

  15. I just pre-ordered the Pat Metheny from Nonesuch. Orchestration, I think it’s called. Comes out in January.
    I bought about seven new releases this year, not a lot but six more than last year.

    Comment by david jordan — December 9, 2009 @ 8:25 pm

  16. I’ve probably bought 20-25 new release LPs this year. Maybe 5 of those were reissues this year. And about the same number of digital albums, almost all of which were jazz albums.

    I preorder LPs all the time. I just put in my preorder for the Bert Jansch reissues from Drag City. Prices are going up, but hopefully quality will likely stay the same.

    Comment by Jim Tuerk — December 10, 2009 @ 8:21 am

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